Okay now i'm asking this with the greatest respect, because i really respect vegans and i would be fully vegan if i truly believed that what i'm eating has caused pain or suffering to animals; but i don't understand why vegans don't eat eggs? I mean the battery produced eggs, that reason is obvious. I will only eat what i believe to be free range eggs and drink free range milk. But if you knew the egg was completely free range, like a chicken had laid it and it was living in comfortable and acceptable conditions why wouldn't you eat it? And don't say "Because its come from an animal." I know what a vegan is.
I only want answers from vegans or people who know the reason.
No stupid answers please.
Here's where I believe the reasoning comes from: we shouldn't infringe on what other creatures produce for their own survival. Bees make honey to feed their larvae. Cow's produce milk to feed their young. Hens lay eggs to produce young. Even if you're buying organic milk and eggs, you're still taking from those animals. It takes a lot of energy for them to make those products and we just take from them. Also, our agricultural practices (even organic, free range ones) involve keeping the animals in unnatural states. For example, keeping a cow lactating for as long as possible in order to maximize milk profits.
That being said, I contemplated becoming vegan, but I really love cheese, yogurt, eggs and fish so much! Like you, I always choose the organic, free range products, and I think that is a positive step. If we all made changes like that in our diets, we'd make some real progress in how humans treat other species.
Hey Claire, If you have hens that you care for and love dearly -- there is no cruelty as I see it. If you want to eat their unfertilized eggs, I think they would happily give them to you and there would be nothing cruel or wrong with that. No Cages + No Killing + Love = OK :o)
I appreciate these comments as well. I am a vegetarian (extra committed now that I've read "Eating Animals" by Jonathan Safran Foer), and seriously contemplating veganism. I do have access to wonderful local produce and cruelty-free eggs & dairy...
I'm a vegetarian, not a vegan. That being said, Vegans take vegetarianism one step further, and will not eat any item that is made from the flesh or is produced from an animal.
They don't wear leather or suede they don't buy down pillows, they don't eat meat, they don't eat eggs, they don't eat yogurt, gravy.
There are various reasons for this: obviously, they don't want to eat animals. They also don't want to eat the products that animals give for their babies. Furthermore, they don't want any animals to suffer for the Vegan's own benefit of consumption of food. They don't want to eat products that could have been a viable baby animal.
The ironic part, though, and I know this because I know lots of Vegans-- is that many vegans are also pro-choice in dealing with the subject of abortion. So they argue against killing viable baby animals, but say nothing against aborting viable baby humans.
There is enormous cruelty involved in producing eggs from "free range" hens as well. Have you ever thought about what happens to the chicks born to lay eggs that aren't hens (females)??? They arewhy vegans don't eat eggs either crushed alive or stuffed in garbage bags to suffocate or otherwise "disposed of." They are not raised to be eaten -- they are not the right kind of chickens. The brutal truth is -- they are killed without any regard to the pain they must suffer dying. Not the slightest bit of compassion is shown to these little living creatures that are the unfortunate unwanted product of the egg industry -- "free range" or not.
Free-Range, by definition, means that the animal runs free, is not caged, and basically does what he/she would do in nature. But, the fact of the matter is, the animal has to be let out of it's cage, or other source of confinement for only about 20-30 minutes per day, in order to legally be termed Free-Range. Vegans don't adhere to any of the claims, because they don't know who's making the claim, and the margin of error is too high for them to take the chance.
Nota vegan - but lacto vegetarian ( eat no eggs, meat fish, but do eat dairy)
Egg is potential for life
Most products with eggs in are non free range. (battery farming is barbaric) So even if ate eggs and only bought free range for myself could not always guarantee the source so better to just cut them out completely.
When I use to buy free range eggs did actually get some with red blood spots in the centre so that meant they were fertillized and were basically chicken embryo - which cant be vegetarian
Except for california, who just passed a law saying cages must be big enough for the animal to stand up,turn around,and fully extend limbs or wings, most factory farmed hens are treated horribly, cramped in tiny cages, and many have their beaks chopped off. Plus eggs, have a lot of cholesterol.
Free range does not equal cruelty free.
I don't eat eggs because of the treatment of the hen.
If I raised my own chickens and they were happy and naturally produced eggs then I may decide to eat eggs again, but there isn't a need really.
most free range hens are really packed into houses, where they have little access to the outside.
producing "free range" eggs requires having fertile eggs, half of which will hatch into male chicks, which will then be slaughtered after birth or fed to a certain weight only to be culled
Because, by definition vegans don't eat or use any animal products.
im not a vegan but am sure that such things like eggs warrant the keeping of animals in poor conditions
i like you aviators ;)
vegans dont eat or drink animal produce
meat, eggs, cheese, milk. etc
Look, by definition, a vegan does not eat animal produce. Vegetarians sometimes do, but not vegans.
If you know what a vegan is, as yu claim, you have no real need to be asking this question.
EDIT: for the two people above - you are utterly wrong. They are not chicken babies, as the eggs for consumption are not fertilised. That's like saying that giving a BJ and swallowing is the same as eating a baby - all you have done is consumed a zygote.
EDIT II: look, although not a 'chicken baby', and egg is still an animal product. By definition, a vegan cannot eat animal products. If someone does, they are not a vegan. If they do not, they are a vegan. Thus, asking why vegans don't is somewhat futile; they are vegan because they don't - and if they did, they wouldn't be.
EDIT III: you are working on the flawed assumption that people necesarily eschew animal pwhy vegans don't eat eggsroducts for moral reasons. Whilst that is often the case, some people just don't like the idea, or regard a herbivorous diet as more healthy (incorrectly, in my opinion). The reasons do not matter - the fact of the matter is that *vegans do not eat animal produce*.
If you don't want to be told this, just get a dictionary, and check the definition. Either way, please stop bleating on. Whether or not people choose to eat eggs is really none of your business.
EDIT IV: oh, you really are obtuse. You've been given a sensible answer from (presumably) a moral vegan below, any yet you ignore her (quite valid) points, and bang on about your random hen in a random yard. Newsflash, child; the egg industry is not the result of your one single hen, who might have a very nice life. The persons point was that however free-range layers are treated, teh male birds are surplus to requirements, and are thus slain; ergo, the industry promotes death and (arguably) suffering.
Female laying hens to not appear in a void. They have to be laid themselves, and by law of averages, half of the new stock is male. The males are not needed, and are killed. This is not very kind. Is this really such a hard concept to grasp?
Your example, with your sample size of one (1) hen, is uttery irrelevent.
"Free-Range, by definition, means that the animal runs free, is not caged, and basically does what he/she would do in nature."
First of all, that is utterly false.
Vegans do not eat eggs because basically any way you gets eggs there was cruelty involved. If you buy them commercially male chicks are killed.
You say you have a chicken of your own, but where did you get it? For that one hen you bought, one male chick was killed. Why not give the eggs to your neighbors, who might otherwise buy eggs from commercial farms, contributing to the deaths of countless chickens?
Additionally, chickens have been bred only to produce many eggs with no thought for their health. To lay so many eggs is "unnatural" and they are miserable because of all the genetic modification.
Sorry to hear you've been getting hostile answers, but as a vegan of some 30+ years I'm used to that by now - it's far from uncommon, sadly. The point about eggs is really more general than your specific example (which I'd have no problem with), in that even in free-range farming roughly equal numbers of hens and roosters will be born, but the roosters aren't profitable (don't lay eggs of course) so most are slaughtered. Thus, although the eggs themselves don't involve cruelty, the means by which they're farmed economically inevitably involve the death of many animals. You have of course anticipated the obvious comments on battery farming. Cheers, G x
Because there is always a chance the egg was fertilized and could be hatched into a chick.It's a bit like cutting a calf out of it's moms tummy and eating it.
because eggs are chickens babies
riiman is right
they are chickens babies & by eating them its like eating what coulda been a chick
because you are eating the chickens baby you nincompoop
No comments:
Post a Comment